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Thread: General Election 2017

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    General Election 2017

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    I know politics can get very divisive, and I don't want to start that. But i'm also aware that its very confusing and overwhelming for people who feel like they should vote but they don't even know where to start.. so I thought maybe a support thread where people can ask?

    The 'I Side With' quiz could help you more clearly work out a party, although in my case I can't vote for the top two matches and two are pointless.
    https://uk.isidewith.com/
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    I don't understand what it's about it confuses me I see people keep saying to get Corbyn in I don't even know who he is?


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    Jeremy Corbyn is the leader of the Labour party, he has been in the Labour party for more than 30 years as MP for Islington North. He's famously a pacifist and was highly influential in peace talks with Northern Ireland. He unexpectedly won the leadership campaign in 2015 after Ed Milliband stepped down, under Corbyn the membership of the Labour party has taken it to the largest political membership in Europe. The media hate him and try to never publicise him except to paint him as useless or weak, there was a study done on the coverage given to him which would be why you haven't heard of him. He is a democratic socialist and has never been involved in expenses scandals, and has returned expenses claims of 0 in the past. Until he became leader and required a bit more security he used to be seen going to work on the tube.

    The media study: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7163706.html

    These are his policies: http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/10-pledges
    This is a Guardian (who have been both for and against him depending on which journalist is writing) article on his history in politics: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...n-libya-labour

    Slanders most usually used against him suggest he is a friend of terrorists, anti semitic or weak. None of these things have any evidence but they are routinely said as if they were common knowledge.

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    For me it's the usual "will things really get better" issue. I've always been a Tory voter (shoot me now!!!) but I agree things need to change. I also voted for Brexit (I'm clearly on a mission to make myself the most hated PFer!) and Im happy with how that's going ahead BUT I feel the Tories are destroying our country now. Take education....the education cuts and reforms are terrifying BUT will Labour (for argument's sake) really increase spending on schools? Are they really going to have more money? Will things really get better? Will the NHS see their funding increased? Social care? Armed forces etc etc etc?? I seem to be hitting my normal 'why the hell can't they just be honest about their intentions and do what they say' frustrations!!!!

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    It was a real mean thing to do to choose early June for the GE. It's normally held in May, where it's normally quiet, but in June, is smack bang in the middle of A levels. I think it was planned this way on purpose, to try prevent many new 18 year olds from voting, as they are the most likely to vote for the opposition (this has been researched and proven).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilidh View Post
    For me it's the usual "will things really get better" issue. I've always been a Tory voter (shoot me now!!!) but I agree things need to change. I also voted for Brexit (I'm clearly on a mission to make myself the most hated PFer!) and Im happy with how that's going ahead BUT I feel the Tories are destroying our country now. Take education....the education cuts and reforms are terrifying BUT will Labour (for argument's sake) really increase spending on schools? Are they really going to have more money? Will things really get better? Will the NHS see their funding increased? Social care? Armed forces etc etc etc?? I seem to be hitting my normal 'why the hell can't they just be honest about their intentions and do what they say' frustrations!!!!
    I don't imagine you are going to be the most hated, I for one can totally see why you'd vote conservative in the past. I could never stomach Tony Blair, but I find Corbyn's very unpolished honesty very refreshing. I know that for many of the promises they make they also need to secure a majority in parliament which can prevent them, but that is usually a good thing as it stops very crazy ideas going ahead. But right now, Teresa May, for all I wish a woman leader would be a good thing, is on a power trip and truly doesn't seem to care at all about people. Her husbands connections to G4S have not hit the media since she took over, which I think is very worrying - and Murdoch is one of her advisors. I have no idea what she stands for at all - she campaigned remain but is making Brexit into a very hard line situation that is alienating even leave campaigners. Her determination to reinstate grammar schools is already costing lots of money from the education budget just to do all the preliminary reports. Money better spent on the schools that already exist. So theres an immediate saving to be made.

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    I'm in a real dilemma. I'm in Scotland and voted for Scottish independence. I truly believe Scotland would thrive on its own. However, the one thing about the SNP that I don't like is their determination to keep Scotland in the EU.

    I voted for Brexit... For none of the reasons that the mainstream media will have you believe. I'm all for immigration, open borders and easy trade. I truly believe that countries working together is the way forward, but I have massive problems with how the EU operates. It's inefficient, financially wasteful and inflexible. Because of how it works, change for the good will always be impossible. Also, the EU had become much more diverse recently, but they still insist on trying to force a one size fits all approach to things by making laws and regulations to govern the whole EU. I'd rather see an EU that embraces the geographical and cultural differences between all the members. One that allows free movement and trade, protects human rights to a certain level, but lets counties make all other laws themselves, so the countries maintain their own special characteristics.

    I also hate the Tories with a passion and I'm terrified that if they win this election they'll see it as a free mandate to go even harder right wing than they already are. The poorest of society, the NHS and the environment will all be screwed so much worse than now.

    So in this election I have a quandary... I'm seriously considering ditching the SNP this time in the hope that if Labour get s few extra seats from Scotland, that might boost then to win the election. Then at least Corbyn will be negotiating the terms of Brexit instead of May. Then in 5 years, after seeing how the first few years of Brexit have gone, I could vote SNP again. Never thought I'd consider voting anything but SNP, but these are terrifying times

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    I care about politics, but unfortunately I'm extremely middle ground. I'm not overly convinced by any of the parties. There's parts of most of them I agree with. And lots I don't. I'm not passionate about any party.
    Doing the 'I side with' quiz and I get 58%, 51% and 51% with Conservative, Labour and Lib Dems. No party stands out.

    I like to think it's not because I don't care about politics, but because although I'd love a nice fluffy world, I don't actually think it's possible, and although I'd love to believe all the wonderful promises parties make, I can see that in reality it just couldn't work out that way without something else giving.

    I'm still undecided which way I'll vote. I don't particularly agree with any of the main parties. Nor the smaller ones. So for me it's picking the best of a bad lot.

    I wanted to love May, a woman PM. But I don't. But (shoot me now, I know everyone loves him) I wouldn't trust Corbyn to run the Country and successfully lead us out of the EU either - and we do have to leave the EU as far as I'm concerned. I voted remain, but the country spoke and I believe we can't hold the vote and then ignore the outcome.

    I try my best to be clued up. But I don't feel it's that easy. I see people who are so certain their political stance but I don't understand how they can be when there's big flaws wherever you look. It really seems to just be a case of weighing up the slight less risky party. And hoping for the best. Because they'll all **** something up that will effect us individually. We can't all have it all. We can't all get free prescriptions and free NHS and free education and free children's centres, and looking after all the elderly for free and have all children in care receiving the care they deserve, and free childcare for working parents, and have the country well protected by both police and military... The list of what we individually receive for very little tax is imo very extensive. I don't believe any party can please everyone.

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    Living in Wales Labour have totally screwed us over. There are no hospitals apart from down south, even the N Wales ones are in threat of being closed.

    Tories just look after the rich. We need change.

    The rich need to be more taxed and loopholes closed that let companies off paying tax.

    Lib Dems in Wales need to win.

    But either way we need the conservatives out


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    Tbh I think the best thing for the country would be a coalition based to the left.

    I've always voted labour and I will again - having checked the area stuff it's only labour that could overthrow Tory here.

    I was surprised that people were surprised at May's election call. To me it made total sense (politically I mean).

    I don't know how this will all play out. I totally get why Scotland vote SNP but I do wish they'd vote to help the rest of the UK. Or I wish I could vote SNP

    I have a Facebook of mostly liberal lefties so I'm happy in a bubble there but it also means I don't see the support for the other side.

    I'm scared for schools. Our school has a letter saying because of funding cuts it was considering asking for monthly parent contributions. What a sad thing that would be. The NHS is in crisis. Universal credit leaves people in crisis. And the rich are still rich. In a country of such crisis it makes far more sense to take money from the people who have it to spare rather than those who are already struggling.


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    There will be no early election
    There will be no early election
    blah blah blah
    suddenly, there will be an early election - this is what annoys me.

    Also why trigger article 50 and then decide on a GE?

    Anyway I will have to see what they all 'promise' before I make a final decision on who to vote for but I have never voted for Tory and doubt that will change.
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  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by emeraldlilly View Post

    Lib Dems in Wales need to win.

    But either way we need the conservatives out


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    A vote for Lib Dem is, unfortunately, a vote for the Tories.

    The Lib Dems have already said that they would go into coalition with the Tories again, so if the Tories "win" but don't get a majority, the Lib Dems will put the Tories in power.

    The ONLY way imo to get the Tories out is to vote Labour, which is why I'm considering throwing the SNP under a bus on this occasion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DaisyRose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by emeraldlilly View Post

    Lib Dems in Wales need to win.

    But either way we need the conservatives out


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    A vote for Lib Dem is, unfortunately, a vote for the Tories.

    The Lib Dems have already said that they would go into coalition with the Tories again, so if the Tories "win" but don't get a majority, the Lib Dems will put the Tories in power.

    The ONLY way imo to get the Tories out is to vote Labour, which is why I'm considering throwing the SNP under a bus on this occasion.



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    Then we are buggered here in Torbay because the only competition for the Tories is Lib Dems. Labour have no chance here.

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    I've always voted Labour and I imagine I will be doing so again. Hove already has labour in and I'm really fond of our MP. Brighton has the Greens in so I imagine that will stay the same as well. Whenever I do these 'quizzes' I always come out as Labour. Xx


  15. #15
    I have always and will always vote labour. I done the quiz and 75% SNP but obviously that's not an option for me. 67% labour was the next highest majority for the 'main' parties, which I knew anyway.


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